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  <front>
    <title abbrev="IAB Liaison Management ">IAB Processes for Management of IETF Liaison Relationships</title>
    <seriesInfo name="Internet-Draft" value="draft-krishnan-iab-rfc4052bis-00"/>
    <author fullname="Suresh Krishnan" role="editor">
      <organization>IAB</organization>
      <address>
        <email>suresh.krishnan@gmail.com</email>
      </address>
    </author>
    <author fullname="Mirja Kuehlewind">
      <organization>IAB</organization>
      <address>
        <email>ietf@kuehlewind.net</email>
      </address>
    </author>
    <author fullname="Qin Wu">
      <organization>IAB</organization>
      <address>
        <email>bill.wu@huawei.com</email>
      </address>
    </author>
    <date year="2025" month="February" day="24"/>
    <abstract>
      <?line 37?>

<t>This document discusses the procedures used by the IAB to establish
and maintain formal liaison relationships between the IETF and other
Standards Development Organizations (SDOs), consortia and industry
fora. This document also discusses the appointment and responsibilities
of IETF liaison managers, and the expectations of the IAB in establishing
liaison relationships.</t>
    </abstract>
    <note removeInRFC="true">
      <name>About This Document</name>
      <t>
        Status information for this document may be found at <eref target="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-krishnan-iab-rfc4052bis/"/>.
      </t>
      <t>
        Discussion of this document takes place on the
        Internet Architecture Board Internet Engineering Task Force mailing list (<eref target="mailto:iab@iab.org"/>),
        which is archived at <eref target="https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/iab/"/>.
        Subscribe at <eref target="https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iab/"/>.
      </t>
      <t>Source for this draft and an issue tracker can be found at
        <eref target="https://github.com/intarchboard/draft-tab-rfc4052bis"/>.</t>
    </note>
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  <middle>
    <?line 47?>

<section anchor="introduction">
      <name>Introduction</name>
      <t>The IETF, as an organization, has the need to engage in direct
communication or joint work with various other formal
organizations.  For example, the IETF is one of several Standards
Development Organizations, or SDOs, and SDOs including the IETF
find it increasingly necessary to communicate and coordinate their
activities involving Internet-related technologies. This is useful
in order to avoid overlap in work efforts, and to manage interactions
between their groups.  In cases where the mutual effort to
communicate and coordinate activities is formalized, these
relationships are generically referred to as "liaison relationships".</t>
      <t>In such cases, a person is designated by the IAB to manage a given
liaison relationship; that person is generally called the "IETF
liaison manager" to the other organization. Often,
the other organization will similarly designate their own liaison
manager to the IETF.</t>
      <t>This document is chiefly concerned with:</t>
      <ul spacing="normal">
        <li>
          <t>the establishment and maintenance of liaison relationships, and</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>the appointment and responsibilities of IETF liaison managers.</t>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <t>The management of other organizations' liaison managers to the IETF,
whether or not in the context of a liaison relationship, is outside
the scope of this document.</t>
      <t>The IETF has chartered the Internet Architecture Board to manage
the formal liaison relationships.  Consistent with its charter <xref target="BCP39"/>,
the IAB acts as representative of the interests of the IETF
in technical liaison relationships with other organizations
concerned with standards, and other technical and organizational
issues relevant to the worldwide Internet.  Liaison relationships are
kept informal whenever possible, and must possess demonstrable value to the
IETF's technical mandate.  Individual participants from the IETF community are
appointed as liaison managers to other organizations by the IAB.</t>
      <t>In general, a liaison relationship is most valuable when there are
areas of technical development of mutual interest. For the most
part, SDOs would rather leverage existing work done by other
organizations than recreate it themselves (and would like the same
done with respect to their own work).  Establishing a liaison
relationship can provide the framework for ongoing communications to</t>
      <ul spacing="normal">
        <li>
          <t>prevent inadvertent duplication of effort, without obstructing
either organization from pursuing its own mandate;</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>provide authoritative information of one organization's
dependencies on the other's work.</t>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <t>It is important to note that participation in the IETF work is open to everyone,
and all the working documents and RFCs are freely available to everyone without
the need for a formal liaison relationship. Hence, in almost all cases the need
for a formal relationship is mostly driven by other organizations rather than by
the IETF.</t>
      <section anchor="changes-compared-to-rfc4052">
        <name>Changes compared to RFC4052</name>
        <t>This version of the document contains the following updates:</t>
        <ol spacing="normal" type="1"><li>
            <t>Notes in the Introduction and Section 2.1 on "Liaison Relationships" that the
IETF process itself does not require a formal liaison relationship, e.g. for
document access or meeting participation, and therefore the need for a formal
liaison relationship is often driven by processes of the peer organization.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Statement that the "IAB acts as representative of the interests of [..] the
Internet Society" has been removed.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Role of the Liaison Representative (Section 2.3) has been removed since this role
is not used in pratice.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Clarifcation in section on "Liaison Communication" (now 2.3; was 2.4) that informal
channels are preferred, with and without a formal liaison relationship, and further
that liaison statements have no "special standing" in the IETF process.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Section 4 on "Approval and Transmission of Liaison Statements" has been moved to 4053bis.</t>
          </li>
        </ol>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="aspects-of-liaisons-and-liaison-management">
      <name>Aspects of Liaisons and Liaison Management</name>
      <section anchor="formal-liaison-relationships">
        <name>Formal Liaison Relationships</name>
        <t>A formal liaison relationship is established when it is mutually agreeable and required for
some specific purposes, as viewed by the other organization, the IAB, and the IETF
participants conducting the work. Some potential purposes include:</t>
        <ul spacing="normal">
          <li>
            <t>The other organization requires a formal liaison relationship in order to provide access
to their working documents or standards.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>A formal liaison relationship is required to provide input to ongoing work at other
organizations.</t>
          </li>
          <li>
            <t>Required to participate in meetings of other organizations</t>
          </li>
        </ul>
        <t>There is no set process or form for this; the IETF participants and
the peer organization approach the IAB, and after discussion come to
an agreement to form the relationship.  In some cases, the intended
scope and guidelines for the collaboration are documented
specifically (e.g., see <xref target="RFC3113"/>, <xref target="RFC3131"/>, and <xref target="RFC3356"/>).</t>
        <t>In setting up the relationship, the IAB expects that there will be a
mutual exchange of views and discussion of the best approach for
undertaking new standardization work items.  Any work items resulting
for the IETF will be undertaken using the usual IETF procedures, defined
in <xref target="BCP9"/>.  The peer organization often has different organizational
structure and procedures than the IETF, which will require some
flexibility on the part of both organizations to accommodate.  There
is an expectation that both organizations will use the relationship
carefully, allowing sufficient time for the requests they make on
the other organization to be processed.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="liaison-manager">
        <name>Liaison Manager</name>
        <t>As described above, most work on mutually interesting topics will be
carried out in the usual way within the IETF and the peer
organization.  Therefore, most communications will be informal in
nature (for example, Working Group (WG) or mailing list discussions).</t>
        <t>An important function of the liaison manager is to ensure that
communication is maintained, productive, and timely.  He or she may
use any applicable businesslike approach, from private to public
communications, and bring in other parties as needed.  If a
communication from a peer organization is addressed to an
inappropriate party, such as being sent to the WG but not copying the
Area Director (AD) or being sent to the wrong WG, the liaison manager
will help redirect or otherwise augment the communication.</t>
        <t>IETF liaison managers should also communicate and coordinate with
other liaison managers where concerned technical activities overlap.</t>
        <t>Since the IAB is ultimately responsible for liaison relationships,
anyone who has a problem with a relationship (whether an IETF
participant or a person from the peer organization) should first
consult the IAB's designated liaison manager, and if that does not
result in a satisfactory outcome, the IAB itself.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="liaison-communications">
        <name>Liaison Communications</name>
        <t>Communications between organizations use a variety of formal and informal
channels irrespective of established liaison relationships. The stated
preference of the IETF, which is largely an informal organization, is to
use informal channels (e.g., discussion on expert level in specific Working
group Meeting or mailing list), as these have integrated better into IETF
process and historically worked well to expedite matters. In some cases,
however, a more formal communication is appropriate, either as an adjunct
to the informal channel or in its own place with or without liaison
relationship. In the case of formal communications, the established
procedures of many organizations use a form known as a "liaison statement".
Procedures for sending, managing, and responding to liaison statements are
discussed in <xref target="RFC4053"/>.</t>
        <t>Note that communications between organizations have no difference to
any other IETF contributions and should follow the same IETF process and
polices and should be open to everyone for inputs and contributions, e.g.,
input discussion in specific working group in the IETF.</t>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="summary-of-ietf-liaison-manager-responsibilities">
      <name>Summary of IETF Liaison Manager Responsibilities</name>
      <t>The main responsibility of the liaison manager is to ensure good and formally
correct communication between the organizations. This often includes:</t>
      <ul spacing="normal">
        <li>
          <t>Ensure received LSs are recorded and delivered to the relevant groups.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Ensure replies are sent in time or it is appropriately communicated why a reply
is delayed or not sent.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Ensure liaison statements from the IETF adhere to the formal requirements of the
peer organization (e.g. formatting) and are delivered to the appropriate groups.</t>
        </li>
        <li>
          <t>Provide additional communication on e.g. process or known consensus positions in
the IETF. This may also require participation in relevant meetings of the peer
organization and potentially report back to the appropriate IETF organization any
material information that is intended to be shared by the peer organization.</t>
        </li>
      </ul>
      <t>Formal messages from the IETF to the peer organization are usually carried in liaison
statements. In certain situations, the liaison manager may carry addional messages, when
specifically instructed. However, if these communications aim to "represent the IETF",
they must have consensus, e.g. by being based on an RFC or some other formal statement
by a group within the IETF.</t>
      <t>Optionally liaison manager may provide updates to the IAB on technical matters. Especially
if a concern e.g. regarding technical overlap or incorrectness is detected this should be
communicated to the IAB. However, given most organization are quite large, it is not expected
that the liaison manager can have the full overview about everything that is going on.</t>
    </section>
    <section anchor="security-considerations">
      <name>Security Considerations</name>
      <t>The security of the Internet is not threatened by these procedures.</t>
    </section>
    <section anchor="iana-considerations">
      <name>IANA Considerations</name>
      <t>This document has no IANA actions.</t>
    </section>
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    <references anchor="sec-combined-references">
      <name>References</name>
      <references anchor="sec-normative-references">
        <name>Normative References</name>
        <referencegroup anchor="BCP39" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp39">
          <reference anchor="RFC2850" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2850">
            <front>
              <title>Charter of the Internet Architecture Board (IAB)</title>
              <author>
                <organization abbrev="IAB">Internet Architecture Board</organization>
              </author>
              <author fullname="B. Carpenter" initials="B." role="editor" surname="Carpenter"/>
              <date month="May" year="2000"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>This memo documents the composition, selection, roles, and organization of the Internet Architecture Board. It replaces RFC 1601. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="39"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="2850"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC2850"/>
          </reference>
          <reference anchor="RFC9283" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9283">
            <front>
              <title>IAB Charter Update for RFC Editor Model</title>
              <author fullname="B. Carpenter" initials="B." role="editor" surname="Carpenter"/>
              <date month="June" year="2022"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>This document updates the IAB Charter (RFC 2850) to be consistent with version 3 of the RFC Editor Model (RFC 9280).</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="39"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="9283"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC9283"/>
          </reference>
        </referencegroup>
        <referencegroup anchor="BCP9" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/bcp9">
          <reference anchor="RFC2026" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2026">
            <front>
              <title>The Internet Standards Process -- Revision 3</title>
              <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner"/>
              <date month="October" year="1996"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>This memo documents the process used by the Internet community for the standardization of protocols and procedures. It defines the stages in the standardization process, the requirements for moving a document between stages and the types of documents used during this process. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="9"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="2026"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC2026"/>
          </reference>
          <reference anchor="RFC5657" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc5657">
            <front>
              <title>Guidance on Interoperation and Implementation Reports for Advancement to Draft Standard</title>
              <author fullname="L. Dusseault" initials="L." surname="Dusseault"/>
              <author fullname="R. Sparks" initials="R." surname="Sparks"/>
              <date month="September" year="2009"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>Advancing a protocol to Draft Standard requires documentation of the interoperation and implementation of the protocol. Historic reports have varied widely in form and level of content and there is little guidance available to new report preparers. This document updates the existing processes and provides more detail on what is appropriate in an interoperability and implementation report. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="9"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="5657"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC5657"/>
          </reference>
          <reference anchor="RFC6410" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc6410">
            <front>
              <title>Reducing the Standards Track to Two Maturity Levels</title>
              <author fullname="R. Housley" initials="R." surname="Housley"/>
              <author fullname="D. Crocker" initials="D." surname="Crocker"/>
              <author fullname="E. Burger" initials="E." surname="Burger"/>
              <date month="October" year="2011"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>This document updates the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) Standards Process defined in RFC 2026. Primarily, it reduces the Standards Process from three Standards Track maturity levels to two. This memo documents an Internet Best Current Practice.</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="9"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="6410"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC6410"/>
          </reference>
          <reference anchor="RFC7100" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7100">
            <front>
              <title>Retirement of the "Internet Official Protocol Standards" Summary Document</title>
              <author fullname="P. Resnick" initials="P." surname="Resnick"/>
              <date month="December" year="2013"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>This document updates RFC 2026 to no longer use STD 1 as a summary of "Internet Official Protocol Standards". It obsoletes RFC 5000 and requests the IESG to move RFC 5000 (and therefore STD 1) to Historic status.</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="9"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="7100"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC7100"/>
          </reference>
          <reference anchor="RFC7127" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7127">
            <front>
              <title>Characterization of Proposed Standards</title>
              <author fullname="O. Kolkman" initials="O." surname="Kolkman"/>
              <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner"/>
              <author fullname="S. Turner" initials="S." surname="Turner"/>
              <date month="January" year="2014"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>RFC 2026 describes the review performed by the Internet Engineering Steering Group (IESG) on IETF Proposed Standard RFCs and characterizes the maturity level of those documents. This document updates RFC 2026 by providing a current and more accurate characterization of Proposed Standards.</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="9"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="7127"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC7127"/>
          </reference>
          <reference anchor="RFC7475" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7475">
            <front>
              <title>Increasing the Number of Area Directors in an IETF Area</title>
              <author fullname="S. Dawkins" initials="S." surname="Dawkins"/>
              <date month="March" year="2015"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>This document removes a limit on the number of Area Directors who manage an Area in the definition of "IETF Area". This document updates RFC 2026 (BCP 9) and RFC 2418 (BCP 25).</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="9"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="7475"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC7475"/>
          </reference>
          <reference anchor="RFC8789" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8789">
            <front>
              <title>IETF Stream Documents Require IETF Rough Consensus</title>
              <author fullname="J. Halpern" initials="J." role="editor" surname="Halpern"/>
              <author fullname="E. Rescorla" initials="E." role="editor" surname="Rescorla"/>
              <date month="June" year="2020"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>This document requires that the IETF never publish any IETF Stream RFCs without IETF rough consensus. This updates RFC 2026.</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="9"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="8789"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC8789"/>
          </reference>
          <reference anchor="RFC9282" target="https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc9282">
            <front>
              <title>Responsibility Change for the RFC Series</title>
              <author fullname="B. Rosen" initials="B." surname="Rosen"/>
              <date month="June" year="2022"/>
              <abstract>
                <t>In RFC 9280, responsibility for the RFC Series moved to the RFC Series Working Group and the RFC Series Approval Board. It is no longer the responsibility of the RFC Editor, and the role of the IAB in the RFC Series is altered. Accordingly, in Section 2.1 of RFC 2026, the sentence "RFC publication is the direct responsibility of the RFC Editor, under the general direction of the IAB" is deleted.</t>
              </abstract>
            </front>
            <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="9"/>
            <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="9282"/>
            <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC9282"/>
          </reference>
        </referencegroup>
      </references>
      <references anchor="sec-informative-references">
        <name>Informative References</name>
        <reference anchor="RFC3113">
          <front>
            <title>3GPP-IETF Standardization Collaboration</title>
            <author fullname="K. Rosenbrock" initials="K." surname="Rosenbrock"/>
            <author fullname="R. Sanmugam" initials="R." surname="Sanmugam"/>
            <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner"/>
            <author fullname="J. Klensin" initials="J." surname="Klensin"/>
            <date month="June" year="2001"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This document describes the standardization collaboration between 3GPP and IETF. This memo provides information for the Internet community.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="3113"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC3113"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC3131">
          <front>
            <title>3GPP2-IETF Standardization Collaboration</title>
            <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner"/>
            <author fullname="P. Calhoun" initials="P." surname="Calhoun"/>
            <author fullname="H. Cuschieri" initials="H." surname="Cuschieri"/>
            <author fullname="S. Dennett" initials="S." surname="Dennett"/>
            <author fullname="G. Flynn" initials="G." surname="Flynn"/>
            <author fullname="M. Lipford" initials="M." surname="Lipford"/>
            <author fullname="M. McPheters" initials="M." surname="McPheters"/>
            <date month="June" year="2001"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This document describes the standardization collaboration between 3GPP2 and IETF. This memo provides information for the Internet community.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="3131"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC3131"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC3356">
          <front>
            <title>Internet Engineering Task Force and International Telecommunication Union - Telecommunications Standardization Sector Collaboration Guidelines</title>
            <author fullname="G. Fishman" initials="G." surname="Fishman"/>
            <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner"/>
            <date month="August" year="2002"/>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="3356"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC3356"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC4053">
          <front>
            <title>Procedures for Handling Liaison Statements to and from the IETF</title>
            <author fullname="S. Trowbridge" initials="S." surname="Trowbridge"/>
            <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner"/>
            <author fullname="F. Baker" initials="F." surname="Baker"/>
            <date month="April" year="2005"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This document describes the procedure for proper handling of incoming liaison statements from other standards development organizations (SDOs), consortia, and industry fora, and for generating liaison statements to be transmitted from IETF to other SDOs, consortia and industry fora. This procedure allows IETF to effectively collaborate with other organizations in the international standards community.</t>
              <t>The IETF expects that liaison statements might come from a variety of organizations, and it may choose to respond to many of those. The IETF is only obligated to respond if there is an agreed liaison relationship, however. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="103"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="4053"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC4053"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC4052">
          <front>
            <title>IAB Processes for Management of IETF Liaison Relationships</title>
            <author fullname="L. Daigle" initials="L." role="editor" surname="Daigle"/>
            <author>
              <organization abbrev="IAB">Internet Architecture Board</organization>
            </author>
            <date month="April" year="2005"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>This document discusses the procedures used by the IAB to establish and maintain liaison relationships between the IETF and other Standards Development Organizations (SDOs), consortia and industry fora. This document also discusses the appointment and responsibilities of IETF liaison managers and representatives, and the expectations of the IAB for organizations with whom liaison relationships are established. This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="102"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="4052"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC4052"/>
        </reference>
      </references>
    </references>
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<section numbered="false" anchor="acknowledgments">
      <name>Acknowledgments</name>
      <t><xref target="RFC4052"/> was authored by Leslie Daigle and developed as part of a conversation regarding the
management of <xref target="RFC4053"/>, and the authors of <xref target="RFC4053"/> contributed
significantly to it as well.</t>
      <t>This version of the document is based on <xref target="RFC4052"/> and brings it in line with currently followed
procedures. Further updates to all parts of the text are expected in the process of gathering
community feedback for this document.</t>
    </section>
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